Do you ever wonder if it was a bad idea carving a Jewish state out of Palestine? I know some of the arguments - that the Jewish religion began there. But so did the Christian religion. The Muslims would be just as pissed if the USA had said 'well, since Jesus was born in Bethlahem we are gonna take the West Bank and make this a Christian state. I mean, is it any wonder they are pissed? Frankly, the more they try to keep us Westerners out of the Arab lands, the more we seem to increase our presence. Not that I'm trying to be controversial or anything.... "Welcome to Pussy Kingdom"

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Originally posted by Egor: He only said that for you to be able to make this argument. He's a clever f*ck. Here is a short sample of what he says for everyone else. . .

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Sorry, still doesn't sound like "KILL ALL JEWS!" He's stirring the controversy of existence of Israel, but that's a very common thing to do for the past 60 years, no?

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Originally posted by James Bond: Do you ever wonder if it was a bad idea carving a Jewish state out of Palestine?

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Yes. just like I wonder about the invasion of Iraq :) But its done. When solving problems, have to work from the assumption of the situation as it exists today. ________________________________________ "Я это понимаю на рациональном уровне, но не могу принять на эмоциональном" --Бизнесмен Борис Березовский

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Originally posted by Egor: He only said that for you to be able to make this argument. He's a clever f*ck. Here is a short sample of what he says for everyone else. . .

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Sorry, still doesn't sound like "KILL ALL JEWS!" He's stirring the controversy of existence of Israel, but that's a very common thing to do for the past 60 years, no?

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I actually never made an argument that he wants to kill all Jews. Or Christians. He either does not want to, or keeps that private :) I don't really care which. Lets work off the quotes we posted. What I posted is populism - evidence of prevailing opinions of muslim population. What you posted is from when he wanted to change the mind of a few countries in the UN about allowing him to have weapons. What does he REALLY want? We can only guess. Which side do we want to err on here? ________________________________________ "Я это понимаю на рациональном уровне, но не могу принять на эмоциональном" --Бизнесмен Борис Березовский

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"The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money" -Margaret Thatcher

I want to err on the side of us winning and them losing. Look, it would be soooo very nice if this was a perfect world where there were no wars and no crazy people. but since that isn't the world we live in I still say 'peace (at home) through strength (abroad)' I did a quick search on the web, and I believe this is the silent majority speaking: My Dear Soldier, As I was walking in the mall the other day, enjoying another day of freedom, I saw a young man in military uniform. Pride and gratefullness welled up inside me and I could not refrain from walking up to him and telling him how thankful I am for his contribution to my precious freedom. He hugged me and I went on with my day knowing that because of men like him, and of you there, I can lay my head down tonight and sleep without hearing bombs or wake up in fear to the sound of gunfire. Words cannot express how much you mean to every American. Please know you are loved, appreciated and prayed for constantly. God is watching over you and with him you can do all things. When you get tired and weary know that he will give you rest. His angels are given charge over you. Stand strong. We love you! Barb Cunningham , W.Va. "Welcome to Pussy Kingdom"

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Originally posted by Egor: What you posted is from when he wanted to change the mind of a few countries in the UN about allowing him to have weapons.

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No, that's the one that started all the bullshit, in 2005, World without Zionism conference in Tehran.

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Originally posted by Egor: What you posted is from when he wanted to change the mind of a few countries in the UN about allowing him to have weapons.

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No, that's the one that started all the bullshit, in 2005, World without Zionism conference in Tehran.

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If I am not mistaken, that's right in the beginning of the major UN hoopla on nuclear Iran. I am surprised he didn't say "I forgive Israel". So you could post it here :) Its a fine line between the multiple audiences he speaks to. He's got his population, that cheers any hate speech against the west. He's got the West, which is afraid to let him have weapons. And he's got you - his fan club all over the west whom he needs most - the pivot point of all that actually matters here. That's a lot of pandering to completely opposite groups. And thus, a lot of contradicting quotes. ________________________________________ "Я это понимаю на рациональном уровне, но не могу принять на эмоциональном" --Бизнесмен Борис Березовский

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Oh, Egor, did I hurt you? Is that the reason you are becoming personal? SO unlike you! I am no in nobody's fan club (unlike some of us cheering for Boris Berezovsky), I just want to have a clear picture. And how come first you attributed the quote to his UN speech, just to find out that he said that at home to a mostly Muslim audience? You didn't read it thorugh, did ya?

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I should use smileys more often, I am not getting personal at all, and have always more respect for you than you think. The fan-club is in the big-picture sense. The defense he gets from certain interests in the west is unyielding and Johnny Cochrain-like. Never a bad word. A fan club is an understatement. People pick a side - right vs wrong, east vs. west, with a sense of nothing to lose, like it's a game. I did not attribute the quote to a UN speech, in the UN he was much, much softer. You misunderstood me. I said:

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"in the UN" applies to "countries", not him. As far as berezovsky, what makes you think i am cheering for him? The quote in my signature is an attack on one of the worst qualities in most of my opponents ________________________________________ "Я это понимаю на рациональном уровне, но не могу принять на эмоциональном" --Бизнесмен Борис Березовский

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Well, in that case, on emotional level, I couldn't give two shits about Mahmoud and everything he stands for. On rational level, I see a strong drive towards another war. That's it.

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Well don't stop there! Lay out your thoughts? Who would attack who? Who would win.....? Don't leave us hanging. It would be great if Iran attacked Israel - it would give us a chance to help our ally. I guess if Syria and Iran coordinated properly they could overrun Israel pretty quickly - or maybe not. Maybe Syria will try and take the Golan Heights just to see what happens? My understanding is they are already amassing troops? Would Russia even care? Russia can re-sell Iran a bunch of arms and materiel after we bomb their current inventory.... Honestly, a war would be welcomed by Bush - he can't just go attack Iran right now. Unless they start it. lol Hey, just because we have 150K+ troops in Iraq doesn't mean we can't engage others with our Air Force. Man, Iran makes the perfect bombing campaign - we have been singing that tune (literally) for decades. "Welcome to Pussy Kingdom"

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Egor : We do know, that France, England, US, Israel, hopefully Russia is still in this group - are harmless regardless of weapons, unless they are backed into a corner. Human evolution is struggling to keep up with technological advances in the art of mass genocide. I cannot say this about France, England or US . Not at all. All 3 are very dangerous and were part of multiple genocides. Israel , for the most part just defended itself, sometimes in a very weird and illogical way, but still. Russia - yes, I agree with you Also, posting quotes from JPost is like posting them from La Figaro or Entertainment weekly, you have to divide by 100 to get something close to truth... Also, why are you so afraid of Iran ? He has no capability to do anything with Israel or US. His nuclear program right now is completely inside guidance by MAGATE (or what ever it's name is in English), no deviations. So why ??? Why there is this push to war coming from West ?? before you write me off as another fun of iranian system, I don;t care about them one way or another. I just see the same pattern as was used with Jugoslavia and Kosovo and Iraq etc. someone chooses a target, mass media makes an evil of that target regardless if there is anything even remotely close to evil there and than US or NATO bombs the living hell out of innocent people. Me - I don;t think that's right.

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Originally posted by KGBMan: Egor : We do know, that France, England, US, Israel, hopefully Russia is still in this group - are harmless regardless of weapons, unless they are backed into a corner. Human evolution is struggling to keep up with technological advances in the art of mass genocide. I cannot say this about France, England or US . Not at all. All 3 are very dangerous and were part of multiple genocides. Israel , for the most part just defended itself, sometimes in a very weird and illogical way, but still. Russia - yes, I agree with you Also, posting quotes from JPost is like posting them from La Figaro or Entertainment weekly, you have to divide by 100 to get something close to truth... Also, why are you so afraid of Iran ? He has no capability to do anything with Israel or US. His nuclear program right now is completely inside guidance by MAGATE (or what ever it's name is in English), no deviations. So why ??? Why there is this push to war coming from West ?? before you write me off as another fun of iranian system, I don;t care about them one way or another. I just see the same pattern as was used with Jugoslavia and Kosovo and Iraq etc. someone chooses a target, mass media makes an evil of that target regardless if there is anything even remotely close to evil there and than US or NATO bombs the living hell out of innocent people. Me - I don;t think that's right.

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Every major power projects that power. that is nothing new. Russia is doing it now with their bomber flights. At some point, you have to draw a line in the sand. Iran is not backing down over it's nuclear program. You are being silly if you don't think Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. Of course they want nuclear weapons. Who wouldn't. Not even other Arab states want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. If Iran was so peace-loving then they would not be snubbing their nose that the UN. The line in the sand has been drawn. Isreal bombing Syria recently is a strong reminder of that. In fact, I think Isreal warned Iran by bombing Syria! "Welcome to Pussy Kingdom"

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Originally posted by James Bond: Every major power projects that power. that is nothing new. Russia is doing it now with their bomber flights. At some point, you have to draw a line in the sand. Iran is not backing down over it's nuclear program. You are being silly if you don't think Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. Of course they want nuclear weapons. Who wouldn't. Not even other Arab states want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. If Iran was so peace-loving then they would not be snubbing their nose that the UN. The line in the sand has been drawn. Isreal bombing Syria recently is a strong reminder of that. In fact, I think Isreal warned Iran by bombing Syria!

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1. Iran is 10-15 years away from developing anything resembling a nuclear weapon. 2. Of course they want it, 'cause it's a truth known to all: "If you have a nuke, the US is not likely to fuck with you!" 3. Iran is not populated by Arabs. 4. US snubs the UN all the time, why not others? 5,. Why don't US bomb China to warn N. Korea?

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I blame the Chinese for letting N. Korea get a nuke. That's why we always insist on 5-party talks with N. korea - cuz REALLY we are dealing with the Chinese. If Iran were only a year or 2 away from getting nukes they would already have been bombed. The idea of having all the Israeli's go on vacation to the USA for a few months if things get nasty there isn't a bad idea. If there really were a large scale conflict, and things got REALLY nasty, then that's a perfect evacuation strategy. And then haliburton could go back in and re-build everything - better than it was. Plus, even more Westerners could start travelling. You see, no matter how bad things get, it always ends up worse 'over there' and even more Westerners. "Welcome to Pussy Kingdom"

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