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Originally posted by AHTOH: Alina, I think you are missing my point. Let me see if I can make it clearer. I am not talking about people not being able to combine kids and careers. I am talking about people being raised and influenced by agenda that tells them that they should not sacrifice anything, ever. (Such as feminism). Accordingly, these young adults cannot form functional family units because both parties are unable to sacrifice and work hard (because hard work is also something you do at work, not a home, they are told). Does it make sense now? liberalism is an oxymoron.liberals can't say a word, without, clearly unbenounced to them, chop away at the very limb they sit on.

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Does it really teach exactly what you describe? I'm not an expert in this issue, but it looks like it's more about "standing up for your rights", isn't it? "Have you ever noticed? Anybody going slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac."

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Originally posted by AHTOH: Alina, I think you are missing my point. Let me see if I can make it clearer. I am not talking about people not being able to combine kids and careers. I am talking about people being raised and influenced by agenda that tells them that they should not sacrifice anything, ever. (Such as feminism). Accordingly, these young adults cannot form functional family units because both parties are unable to sacrifice and work hard (because hard work is also something you do at work, not a home, they are told). Does it make sense now? liberalism is an oxymoron.liberals can't say a word, without, clearly unbenounced to them, chop away at the very limb they sit on.

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Does it really teach exactly what you describe? I'm not an expert in this issue, but it looks like it's more about "standing up for your rights", isn't it? "Have you ever noticed? Anybody going slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac."

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Alina, please see the article above for some of the quotes of feminist movement leaders The institution of marriage is the chief vehicle for the perpetuation of the oppression of women; it is through the role of wife that the subjugation of women is maintained. [wives'] chattel status continues in their loss of name, their obligation to adopt the husband's domicile and the general legal assumption that marriage involves an exchange of the female's domestic service and [sexual] consortium in return for financial support. the traditional family was "founded on the open or concealed domestic slavery of the wife." These opinins have become the pillars of feminist movement, they quoted and recited on daily basis. Do you really think feminism preaches family-friendly postulates? It has nothing do to with the rights, it has become an ideology, and its wrong at it very core...Today's western society is so open and liberalized that the feminist movement is no longer needed. Look at yourself - you are a prime example of a female, who, on one side is not familiar with feminism, while at the same time would not let anyone take advantage of you. You got to where you are now without any feminist brainwashing, right? This goes to illustrate that a woman doesn't have to be feminist in order to be equal in todays society. liberalism is an oxymoron.liberals can't say a word, without, clearly unbenounced to them, chop away at the very limb they sit on.

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Sic semper tyrannis
~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"

Anton, what you say makes perfect sense. I couldn't have said it any better. "Remember, today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday." - Dale Carnegie II

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Anton - I wish it could always be like that: "never!" about "taking the advantage" part... Oh, no, no.... But it could happen less I guess if I was growing up here... As for feminizm - noone has found a clear determination for what it is far. So it has a lot of faces I guess. Some of them are too radical, like the above ones. But we can't to close our eyes on the fact that woman's rights as a human being are still violated everywhere: in both families and jobs. And those violations are based JUST on her gender in lots of cases. "Have you ever noticed? Anybody going slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac."

II, lol, how can you be with 'alla' ... i thought you don't like religion, especially muslim Alla is good, very good Alina - I'm with you too. II, Anton - I think you mixing two diff. things in one explosive package. Feminism is an extreme child of women's strugle to equal rights. Single mothers are mostly the result of bad choises and crapy man.

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- Независимость - это когда в 20-й раз наступаешь на одни и те же грабли, а русские уже ни при чем....

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Originally posted by KGBMan: II, lol, how can you be with 'alla' ... i thought you don't like religion, especially muslim Alla is good, very good Alina - I'm with you too. II, Anton - I think you mixing two diff. things in one explosive package. Feminism is an extreme child of women's strugle to equal rights. Single mothers are mostly the result of bad choises and crapy man.

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I am with Alina,-- to be with Alla is quite enough for you

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Originally posted by KGBMan: II, lol, how can you be with 'alla' ... i thought you don't like religion, especially muslim Alla is good, very good Alina - I'm with you too. II, Anton - I think you mixing two diff. things in one explosive package. Feminism is an extreme child of women's strugle to equal rights. Single mothers are mostly the result of bad choises and crapy man.

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Wow! I find myself disagreeing with KGBMan!!! Just how exactly are single mothers result of "crappy men"? What about crappy women? Or what about the choices those women make for themselves? Were they raped or forced to have children with those "crappy" men? This is almost like cigarette smokers suing tobacco manufacturers...Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Until women continue dating crappy men, they have no right to blame their problems on anything but their own crappy personal judgement! liberalism is an oxymoron.liberals can't say a word, without, clearly unbenounced to them, chop away at the very limb they sit on.

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Sic semper tyrannis
~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"

Random, I am with Alina,-- to be with Alla is quite enough for you Two is better than one, but we should ask them first, don't you think ? Anton, Wow! I find myself disagreeing with KGBMan!!! Just how exactly are single mothers result of "crappy men"? What about crappy women? Or what about the choices those women make for themselves? Were they raped or forced to have children with those "crappy" men? This is almost like cigarette smokers suing tobacco manufacturers...Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Until women continue dating crappy men, they have no right to blame their problems on anything but their own crappy personal judgement! Well, it is mostly about crappy man, cause women are generaly more family oriented. But I will agree to settle on 50/50

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Originally posted by KGBMan: Random, I am with Alina,-- to be with Alla is quite enough for you Two is better than one, but we should ask them first, don't you think ? Anton, Wow! I find myself disagreeing with KGBMan!!! Just how exactly are single mothers result of "crappy men"? What about crappy women? Or what about the choices those women make for themselves? Were they raped or forced to have children with those "crappy" men? This is almost like cigarette smokers suing tobacco manufacturers...Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Until women continue dating crappy men, they have no right to blame their problems on anything but their own crappy personal judgement! Well, it is mostly about crappy man, cause women are generaly more family oriented. But I will agree to settle on 50/50

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Ok, 'cause I was gonna start telling you stories about "good-for-nothing" mothers that I know personally... liberalism is an oxymoron.liberals can't say a word, without, clearly unbenounced to them, chop away at the very limb they sit on.

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~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"

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Originally posted by KGBMan: Random, I am with Alina,-- to be with Alla is quite enough for you Two is better than one, but we should ask them first, don't you think ?

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Did you do it yourself before?

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Anton: I still don't understand how personal choice refferres to liberals and feminizm. Moreover: an unexperiensed, far from feminizm, an ideal (in your eyes) kind of girl will more likely make a wrong choice than some "feminist seen-that-all bitch". Random and KGB: shas v ugol oboikh postavlyu. Poderites' eshio. :o) "Have you ever noticed? Anybody going slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac."

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Originally posted by Alina: Moreover: an unexperiensed, far from feminizm, an ideal (in your eyes) kind of girl will more likely make a wrong choice than some "feminist seen-that-all bitch".

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The girl you are describing is not necessarily my "ideal girl". I would not hold her "inexperience" against her by any means, but that's already slightly off subject. I do not agree with your statement. An inexperienced girl can make exact same mistakes, or maybe even come out on top. While experince is certainly helpful to a woman determining a "matching" or "worthy" partner, who says that she can't pick a good partner without having to through "five or six of the bad ones" first? And this also has nothing to do with luck. I can agree that some people have impared judgements when it comes to determining a "matching" partner, but at the same time, I don't like those "impared" blaming all their problems on the partners they have picked themselves! Does it make sense? This is not no say that the "unworthy" males should get off scott-free, I am just saying until women keep dating "crappy" men, I don't want to hear any complaints coming from women, that's all... liberalism is an oxymoron.liberals can't say a word, without, clearly unbenounced to them, chop away at the very limb they sit on.

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Sic semper tyrannis
~War is Peace~Freedom is Slavery~Ignorance is Strength~ George Orwell "1984"

But liberals?????????? Oni-to kakim bokom?????? Khotya ya ikh i ne lyublyu. Da ladno - u menya odna znakomaya byla 40 let, ej ne povezlo, nu i estessno, kak vsegda v takikh sluchayakh govorila "a vse oni - svolochi". :o) No ona dazhe slova "feminizm" po-moemu, ne slyshala nikogda....... Ne govorya uzhe o liberalah.... :o)))))) "Have you ever noticed? Anybody going slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac."